tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7029597333753805868.post3371099544611538041..comments2023-04-04T10:50:10.666+01:00Comments on iamnotacyclist: A little bit about cycling facilities from LCC Camdenndruhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15324118775089929952noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7029597333753805868.post-7880322703924209542010-10-29T20:55:29.222+01:002010-10-29T20:55:29.222+01:00"I do care about being sideswiped by being pl..."I do care about being sideswiped by being placed to the left of left-turning traffic."- Aren't you afraid of that when you are on a painted cycle lane on the left?<br />I have quite a different experience with segregated cycle paths. I cycle down the cycle path along Cable Street every day - in many places where it looses priority to intersecting roads the drivers are courteus and give way regardless. <br />I completely agree about the standard. I think even that's not enough - there should be a centralized strategy and execution of cycle infrastructure. Leaving it to the councils didn't work and gave us more or less useless cycling infrastructure. What we get isn't even along TfL's guidelines.ndruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324118775089929952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7029597333753805868.post-38644073825978101522010-10-29T19:50:49.533+01:002010-10-29T19:50:49.533+01:00"And I am sorry but I don't believe in th..."And I am sorry but I don't believe in the vehicular slogans about segregated cycle paths making it more dangerous for hardcore cyclists who want to cycle on the road so that they are not slowed down by people who don't race on their bikes."<br /><br />No, it's not slogans. Statistical analyses of collisions at junctions how that more collisions occur where there are segregated facilities, especially narrow lanes, and two-way or contraflow facilities. To be fair, the problem almost certainly lessens as habitual users of the road get used to the facilities.<br /><br />And it's got nothing to do with macho racing cyclists. I am a utility cyclist, not a racing cyclist and I don't particularly care whether I'm slowed down occasionally. I do care about being sideswiped by being placed to the left of left-turning traffic.<br /><br />I realise the fact that John Franklin maintains this page may invalidate it in your eyes, but it's a consistent trend in statistical research.<br /><br />http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/digest/research.html<br /><br />Nevertheless, I do agree that segregated facilities are worth pursuing if they encourage more cycling, but some minimum standard has to be in place. The more crap is built, the more they use the previously built crap to justify the new crap post-hoc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7029597333753805868.post-17858358420928415112010-10-29T14:47:27.481+01:002010-10-29T14:47:27.481+01:00Hi Ndru,
Mark from i b i k e l o n d o n blog her...Hi Ndru,<br /><br />Mark from i b i k e l o n d o n blog here.<br /><br />Thanks for replicating this paper here, I hadn't seen it before. It's extremely well written and I only wonder what the following debate about it was.<br /><br />I'd like to get in touch with you as there are couple of things I'd love to hear your ideas on (specifically on the above subject) but can't find your contact details. If you go to my About Me page here and send me a note I'll be able to email you back.<br />http://ibikelondon.blogspot.com/p/about-me.html<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Markibikelondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978714126105951294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7029597333753805868.post-52459808707102167542010-10-29T12:36:15.518+01:002010-10-29T12:36:15.518+01:00@Anonymous
"It seems rather unlikely that UK ...@Anonymous<br />"It seems rather unlikely that UK authorities will start building Dutch-style segregated facilities any time soon." - Yeah, so why bother? Right?<br />And I am sorry but I don't believe in the vehicular slogans about segregated cycle paths making it more dangerous for hardcore cyclists who want to cycle on the road so that they are not slowed down by people who don't race on their bikes. And TBH I don't really care about the hardcore cyclists - they are going to cycle anyway. What I care about making riding a bike a safe, pleasant, fast and direct means of transport. <br />Opposition to bad cycling facilities is understandable; opposition to segregated cycling facilities isn't. My daily commute takes me over a couple of well designed (not perfect) segregated cycle paths and I must say I can't understand anyone who opposes them. <br />How I am going to change the entrenched road culture in UK? Perhaps I won't; but perhaps I will change a couple of minds. That again doesn;t mean I can't speak my mind and campaign for something that can only bring good. Now if you read a little bit of my blog you'd know my ideas. I do want more of what we already have, and I want what we already have improved. Something along the lines of Cable Street.ndruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324118775089929952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7029597333753805868.post-91342834488896278332010-10-28T22:38:40.075+01:002010-10-28T22:38:40.075+01:00It seems rather unlikely that UK authorities will ...It seems rather unlikely that UK authorities will start building Dutch-style segregated facilities any time soon.<br /><br />In that sense, opposition to segregated facilities in the UK is somewhat understandable. Constant bullying by motorists always seems to follow on when cyclists attempt to use a road when a segregated facility is nearby, however awful said facility is.<br /><br />You have a point when you say that those who oppose segregated facilities have to address the fact that the countries with the highest level of cycling have many segregated facilities, but you yourself have to address how you are going to change the entrenched road culture in the UK of building atrocious and hazardous facilities that you know will do nothing to encourage cycling. If you don't know how to change that culture, you maybe shouldn't be campaigning for what will certainly be more of the same.<br /><br />Incidentally, I think segregated facilities (good ones anyway) are worth supporting because they probably do encourage cycling. At the same time, I also think from looking at accident statistics that they actually make cycling more hazardous -- for the same number of cyclists. If they encourage more cycling then they _indirectly_ make cycling safer. So for that indirect effect, I broadly support them -- if well designed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7029597333753805868.post-31671351959525917172010-10-28T16:57:59.707+01:002010-10-28T16:57:59.707+01:00Interesting, which oddities of English, and Scotti...Interesting, which oddities of English, and Scottish, law relating to the roads, are causing the problems? Maybe we should be lobbying to have these "oddities" corrected.Kimhttp://kimharding.net/blog/?cat=9noreply@blogger.com